The Dan-Amy shippers that was never going to happen. He always wanted to match her. Michael Ausiello / She wanted the Dubonnet. But maybe theres a lesson to be learned which is, at the end of the day, horrible is horrible. Look at how Catherine [Meyer, played by Sarah Sutherland] responded to her mothers death she brought in margaritas! By 1894, 23 more states had adopted the holiday, and on June 28, 1894 . I just want to determine who really is the human crutch in their relationship. Another popular suggestion: Jonah ends up running for president either opposing Selina or with her help. Both Labor Day and May Day, the two worker holidays, grew out of violent clashes between labor and police in the American Midwest.What is known as the Haymarket Riot (or . So what is the worst thing that she could do that is unlike anything shes ever done? As a whole, I was really satisfied by where they were taking the end because Selina was so awful, so bitter, so narcissistic and so selfish without any empathy. And there's no coming back. Will looks like he has PTSD sometimes. Thats what was so beautiful about the way Dave [Mandel] wrote and directed the episode. But it was nice to see Veeps international fanbase come out to play: Im European, and Europe has a wonderful history regarding our attitude towards Jews, wrote Viktor, whos from Croatia. The relationship between Selina Meyer and Gary Walsh has always been hilarious, yes, but it's also what are the words? I loved it, because it was obviously a salute to the show, but by the way, was also proving my point, Mandel says. So I think later in life he might have seen how ridiculous that was and let himself go a little bit and freed up. And you showed no mercy with Amys abortion storyline. He quickly shifted gears into paying tribute to the Oscar-winning actor (four times, possibly winning for the sequel-you-never-saw-coming in Philadelphia 2). The First Labor Day. He would rather be attacked and cussed at and abused than be distanced from her. And on top of that, Gary is supposed to be very happy in the scene. The takedown of Tom James is three years in the making. Hell hath no fury like a perpetually under-appreciated, eternally abused and currently marginalized political lackey scorned. ", Hale also had difficulty in keeping his emotions in check as he came to grips with the finality of the moment, both on- and off-camera. Im just now thinking about this, but I think during those 20 years, there was probably a good five years in the beginning that he thought she was going to change her mind and wake up and realize how special he was to her. The pair even sufferedtwin heart attacks last season. Desperate to find a fall guy for her scandals with the Meyer Fund and illicit ties to the . Sufe Bradshaw returned as Sue to the White House, which was a feel-good surprise in a brutal episode. I pair that with how excited I am to be able to have had a full-circle moment in Veep, to show the beginning and an end and to walk through the whole journey and to have the whole arc of the series completed. Ethan Hart gave a vague response: Im not sure, but I would love to see a Veep character cry like Carrie on Homeland. Sonia Murray, however, was very specific (Homeland spoiler alert! ", It was a playful and ideal wink to the very first episode, in which Mike attempted to console Selina about a gaffe by absurdly suggesting that maybe bigger breaking news could overshadow it: "What if Tom Hanks dies? Dan 2.0 in a different way. "He invested his co-dependent energy in trying to please somebody elsegetting them to like him, not valuing himself," he continues. He placed the lipstick on the coffin and touched the coffin somberly before walking away. Was one of the messages of the finale, If you have been rooting for Selina all along, you chose very poorly, and were here to not-gently remind you of that?That is the wonderful thing. Broken to its bones. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I have confidence because of what he has previously worked on, but also because of his relationship with Julia. Theres that part where she asks for the favor and then she stops herself and says, Oh never mind. I asked this question, because it sounded like she was going to say it and then stopped herself. She later explained to . It was lovely that he came to New York for the premiere, and obviously, hes busy with [upcoming HBO space comedy Avenue 5]. Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. ], This is Daddys Youve had the evil inside you the whole time, its time to embrace your dark side speech.You didnt need these shoes or me. Banijay Asia CEO Deepak Dhar On 'The Night Manager', Remaking, Wall Street Wary of Man United, WWE Deals as Sports StocksSlump, 'The Mandalorian' Seasons 1 and 2 Take Place Over 'Many Years,', 'Doctor Who' Showrunner Russell T Davies Boards BBC Viagra Drama. On Sundays Veep, Selinas long-suffering aide Gary stopped being polite and started getting really angry at his boss, resulting in a jaw-dropping confrontation that was three years in the making. We do spend a lot of time thinking about the fact that shes not 100 percent terrible at her job. He knows all the skeletons. Not the way they talked about it, no., Its related to Selinas off-camera miscarriage, revealed in Season 1s Full Disclosure. Its hard to imagine it being something that they had already talked about. Yes, unwitting Gary wound up serving as the fall guy for her scandals involving Chinese government election interference and the corrupted Meyer Fund. Veep Post Mortem: Tony Hale Talks Gary and Selina's Epic Clash, Sheds Light on 'Labor Day' Mystery. Im excited to see what ideas he has. But the series finale of the HBO political comedy put Gary front and center in a devastating way. That could be enjoyable. Louis-Dreyfus said she believed something crosses Selinas eyes of perhaps remorse and love for Gary in their goodbye. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Weve known who Selina was for seven seasons, but this season and this finale in particular took it to the next level and showcased just how ruthless and self-serving she is. We settle all family business. So its such an interesting scene because its so emotional, but it is emotional about sending her off to steel herself to do some really bad s. So again, it wouldve been Jonahs fault that she didnt get what she wanted. Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Selina Meyer. He wouldve been her type. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/veep-showrunner-david-mandel-responds-labor-day-theories-162157120.html. Labor Day vs. May Day . "You don't have to worry," he said, pleasantly startled. The Central Labor Union held its second Labor Day holiday just a year later, on September 5, 1883. MANDEL RESPONDS: As far as Gary and Selina parting ways, We think about that. Its been a process of first when her mom dies, little bits about her father. The holiday falls on the first Monday of . ", It was during that last line that Gary was accosted by two FBI agents on the side of the stage. I think there was something very funny to me that somehow you end up with him and Spiro Agnew in the same historical footnote. 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Veep: Inside the final days of TVs smartest and filthiest comedy Veep stars choose their all-time favorite scenes Watch Veep star Timothy Simons read unaired Jonah insults. But if you remember back from the flashbacks, you get the sense theres a reason she couldnt completely get him out of her life and vice versa. But I doubt were going to get it. But it really is impossible, he says. That's why he went back. So that was tricky. So, I guess because of his simplicity, dare I say, I dont blame him quite as much as I blame her. She couldnt even face Gary to do it, thats how much of a coward she was. How does it feel to have Gary and Selinas relationship be the most powerful punch ofVeep? This master-and-servant dynamic gone wrong, between the vainglorious VP-turned-POTUS-turned-legacy chaser-turned-POTUS (Julia Louis-Dreyfus) and the bootlicking bag man/dumped-upon doormat who kept her secrets and prepared her snacks (Hale), served as the beating black heart of HBO's shrewd, crude political comedy for seven seasons. It was a clever nod to the pilot, in which Mike had posited that the latest Meyer lemon would be overshadowed by even bigger news: What if Tom Hanks dies?. Its sort of fun, Mandel says. The government shutdown episode. When none of that came to pass, lets do the General thing early in the year and plan her funeral, and then lets jump ahead to the future and see it became the idea. she concluded. I dont have all of it, but theres a key piece of information that I would love to get in at some point, he says. What have I done? Kent (Gary Cole) is a full-on hippie-raising alpaca but wants to focus on his watchmaking! Catherine does go kind of the full Claire Danes. Labor Day is on Monday, Sept. 5. On April 16, Selena Day, fans will put on their favorite Selena songs and remember the incredible impact the Tejano crooner had on music. He certainly didnt deserve to go to jail, but what responsibility, if any, does he own for participating in this horrifically lopsided relationship?Boy, thats an interesting question. The people she banned are now there. That cant hit her until the White House. Julia and Tony said those scenes were difficult to shoot, just knowing the history between the characters and that they as actors were saying goodbye to this onscreen relationship as well, even though Gary didnt realize it. Andrew met Selina Eaton in 1988 at the beginning of her senior year at Smith. Selina wasnt a robot. Because if she doesnt go all in on that job, then it makes the decision to perhaps having had the abortion more wrong for her. Selina has always hated the limited powers of the vice president. Despite becoming President, she is paying a price. Oh, no, no, no!' Thats the interesting flaw of her. I only would be less interested if Trump was the writer. Thats whats kind of fun. Then when shes left alone, she starts to tear up as if shes taking stock of what she has besides this job, and the answer is nothing. Its meant to be. When she says to him, I need you to do a favor for me. Going to jail was never in the cards of that favor in Garys mind. . And it's just like, of course she's not going to put herself in that. How are you feeling about the change? Even though I think Selina is a little bit anti-Semitic, shes not nearly as anti-Semitic as the entire Trump administration, so its hard to compete.. Gary is constantly getting beat up, so anytime theres an opportunity for a blowup where he can actually express himself, Im in. Theseries finale betrayal was heartbreaking to watch. Lets start by cutting to an interview with Veep showrunner and finale writer/director David Mandel, who takes you inside Selinas savage send-off. Still, a few folks went for it. We once played with an idea that when you jumped to the future and Richard was president, and he might have asked her to be his vice president in the future sort of a little bit of a gray-haired, foreign policy expert to his younger, more novice politician. Julia Louis-Dreyfus., MANDEL RESPONDS: Hearing that last answer, Mandel can only laugh: Have our standards for what a president is dropped so far in the last two years that this is what were saying is good about Selina Meyer? But looking at the big picture I find that [two-thirds number] fascinating, because I think shes a horrible person! Among the who's-who . And yeah, anybody who thought she should be president wasnt maybe paying attention the way they should have been. Dies geschieht in Ihren Datenschutzeinstellungen. I mean, the fact that he says, Im fing everything to you is just Gary would never in his wildest dreams have thought to talk to his queen that way. The big one that we were on for probably a lot of the discussion was that never-before-seen President Hughes would die on the same day, and that would sort of steal her thunder. There was anger in his farewell words, but also a sense of love. MANDEL RESPONDS: Sadly, I think theyre right, he says. This isn't the first time the story of Selena's epic rise to fameand untimely demise in 1995have been put to film. The comedy of the episode, her hating of the vice presidency, her not wanting to give to people, to him, to Jonah, when he goes, No, I dont want it. And then says, Im going to run in the third party and f your shit up. Then everybody is screaming at him, and his line where he goes, Fine! Jess remembered that Selina cares for horses, an indication she does have a heart. She roots for Selina because she is unapologetically female in a mans world. So yeah, there was just a lot of joy. This relationship is done.' And it's kind of also not fair." For many of us, that means time off work, picnics and pool parties, and maybe watching a . And to answer Jamies question, Why would Gary wearing corduroy not happen? On Sunday night, the series finale of HBOs Emmy-winning, cynical-to-its-corroded-core comedy answered: To hell. She just sent him to jail and knowing Selina, she's not going to get him out. Because the others do, and she doesnt. and I would also say that it's not easy. Gary and Selina were intimate. You took over showrunning duties when Armando left after season 4 and kept up the Emmy-winning tradition. I think even when shes nice, theres usually ulterior motives or things that will get her to throw it away in a second., And as for the assessment of Selinas sexual prowess: I think she would take a lot of pride in knowing that people think shes good in bed, he says. "He's very angry," says Hale. Starting with the most obvious. I think people forget that she did rise up through the political system, and that requires a certain amount of street-fighting skills and an inherent political sense, and she has that. And was there ever talk of making him Selinas VP in the present day, as his political career was accelerating super fast in the final season?Its funny, Ive seen both the Richard becomes her VP or somebodys VP at the convention. (Laughs.) This is the main character of a TV show, and you relish in her horribleness. I feel like the real road not taken for him wouldve been like a childrens dentist. MANDEL RESPONDS: It doesnt surprise me that people like Mother. I love Mother. I guess it surprises me that it was such a clear winner, just because its that typical sort of thing its hard to pick among your children, as they say. And even though I looked at all the takes, Julia was the one who said, No, no, no take a look, I think I reacted when I hear the name. And I went back and I saw what she did, what she was talking about, so its intercut much more so that he says Maam, Gary and then youre back on her so it plays on her face, the realization moment. But the way she talks about the position in the finale is so warped its declawing, its demeaning, its worse than death that she sounds victimized for having to serve in that position, which is the second most powerful personOne of the many reasons we called the final episode Veep is that who is going to be her vice president is such a giant piece of her salvation. I love the idea that he solved it with three states. And when you sow that your entire life, you reap sadness and isolation. Thats throughout your life, if thats what youre going to invest in the world, and thats the end of your life. Labor Day's origins go much deeper than backyard barbecues and picnics. I dont think Selina saw it as a gift, but in terms of his life, it was probably the biggest gift. I think in some ways she found herself a sort of Dan-esque guy. It took that. I do think Gary is a much better version of himself during that funeral, definitely. And in some ways, thats what makes him her father. She just thought that Amy wouldve liked the cut of his jib. For the greater good. But dont we already have Catherine? Oh my God, shes the worst! This shouldnt be.. The MCUs tiniest heroes are kicking off its biggest phase yet, setting up the next several years of storytelling. Kent is certainly hard to read, but again, if you were the right kind of person for a lot of these people, I think you could survive. The coming to terms with what youve done and what you did is somewhat horrific. Its tiny as f, its miniscule as all hell, but its just perfect, seeing this just I dont know, revulsion. But I guess at the end of the day, Im a cynical son of a bitch. [Laughs] In Garys world, I always had this vision that he comes home at night and says into a recordereverything that is in the bag. In the United States, Peter J. McGuire, a union leader who had founded the United Brotherhood of Carpenters in 1881, is generally given credit for the idea of Labor Day. And of course he would be like, Yes.. I think Isles is clearly smarter. I kind of love that. In the mornings before they come to get her, she will be up and dressed and waiting to get out of those family quarters and to get back to the Oval and business. He was ready to do whatever she asked. But I think that care and that base level love is what brought him to the funeral. I looked at this as, Well, maybe this will snap him out of it. Maybe hell wake up to the abuse. I dont have the secret answer of what Labor Day was, I just liked the idea of a lot of clues that kept changing what you thought about it. And that might be his own wake-up because Gary was always, always buttoned up. Totally. Then he resigns. "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" Theres no rule that says she has to, but at the end of the day, thats who she is. April 19 2015, 7:57 PM PDT. Your legacy lives on in your children and that is a prime example, where her daughter is celebrating her demise and her death. As for that Jonah scenario, Maybe Jonah could get tortured. But the arbitrary rule all but . Well, a Christmas Carol! My mind goes to some dark places during that scene. And then picked up right where we were [laughs], right back to that sort of withering stare. In the beginning of the season, you told me that Gary viewed her as a forever queen. And always the president in his eyes. The very first Labor Day in the country was celebrated in 1882, and it became an official federal holiday in 1894. Jonah was going to stall and take too long, and along with the demands, in that stall, Tom James [Hugh Laurie] was going to make his move and swoop in and get the nomination, then win the presidency. But its still Catherine. It was very satisfying for him. Their only daughter, Catherine Meyer, was born in 1994. We started talking about a very sort of Selina Meyer-esque ending, which is that she gets bumped off the front page by a better funeral. I think for the rest of her life she will tell herself it was worth it. She just got to a place in her life where she couldnt help herself. Shell be the ventriloquist and Ill be the dummy. I know people have been waiting for it. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: So 50 percent had no idea the former TNT series existed. That was a nuclear bomb. Gary and Selina were For this rotted-out soul, was it all worth it?This is my honest opinion. "For twentysomething years, he had lived in this fantasy and it shook him, and hopefully it woke him out of that to where he can begin living his life. ANALYZING THE ANSWERS: The majority got it right (K-lumsky). It seemed that despite the betrayal, on some level, he will always hold a warped torch for Selina. Party leaders, looking for someone to beat the popular Laura Montez, turn to Jonah to run for President and throw their support behind him. "I felt in a sense like I had tight reins on myself, I was trying very hard not to let a certain kind of emotion flow out of me," she says. But its that same street fighter that then continues to do all of those other horrible things. Hes done outrageous things for her and nothing has yet snapped him out of it. The whole team (reluctantly) returns to work for Jonahs campaign. Selina snaps out of that moment of sad solitude when the Israeli Prime Minister calls, and shes charmingly back to doing what she does best. That would have been the running joke, that everybody else got scanned but shes the only actual competent one. April 28, 2017, 12:21 PM. But it feels pretty definitive. That, to me, is the absolute saddest picture of her legacy. The woman named Yolanda Saldivar became a fan of Tejano music during the mid-1980s . But I so respect his decision. TVLINE | How does this impact their relationship moving forward? [Mandel took over showrunning duties from creator Armando Iannucci after season 4.] I dont think an answer would have been satisfying. Of all the people in the world you could pick, that decision to make Jonah vice president again is also part of the reason thats the title of this episode. Do you agree? Catherine told her mother that shed never forgive her for agreeing to ban same-sex marriage, and then we saw her watch her funeral at home with Marjorie [Clea DuVall], which indicated estrangement. 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